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Robert Whitley's avatar

Very interesting topic and i agree that civilizational collapse is attractive to many as a red herring hot-button issue. Quigleys book Evolution of Civilizations i found good and measured on the subject. He points out the reform aspects, that all collapses dont end in a final collapse. I studied medieval literature in which the past is seen as idyllic and the present as a denigrated time, not able to recapture the magic of the idealized past. At the same time, the past is dressed up as the present, ie 2nd Century Cappedocian St George depicted as one of todays knights in the 13th Century. im not sure if this is what you mean with “presentism”?

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Ishika's avatar

i always wonder how much of these recoveries had to do with power struggle - the roman empire living on relied on european powers claiming roman ancestry as a sign of legitimacy. for each of these countries, being roman was a sign that they were owed power and something to be proud of - which makes me think of religious zeal. if we were to talk about our modern climate, it seems that we’re on the same wavelength of people extremely pessimistic about the future of our country - they just blame each other for it. and like always, this piece was fantastic!!

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